Emo vs. Goth

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Emo and Goth are forms of Hardcore Punk and Experimental Underground Music.

The Emo and Goth movements both represent sub cultures in post-industrial or post-modern civilization. They are both based in the punk rock movement of the late 1970’s that spread internationally and continues to influence art, culture and media around the world.

Emo stands for “emotional hardcore,” a type of punk rock music that evolved out of Washington DCin the mid 1990’s. Emo or emotional hardcore was an attempt by a number of bands to experent with chaotic music patterns and personal expression in abstract and primal ways.

Goth is associated with Gothic rock, which dates back to the early 1980’s as an alternative music and culture movement. Goth is related traditionally to dark themes of which Gothic architecture in Europe is cited symbolically. Both the emo and Goth movements relate art to being through personal expression methods.

They differ mostly in the sense of expression of music and emotions. Though they both belong to the same genre of music but their expressions and cultural inclinations set them apart. Their thinking and influences on music also differ.

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Goth

Definition A style of music which was originally a subgenre of punk rock and post-hardcore with emotionally charged lyrics. Originally short for emotional hardcore, it was remade in the 1990s with a more indie/pop punk style. Early 80’s to present post-punk rock movement focus on dark themes & non-conformism through music, performance, etc.
Stands for Emotional hardcore (origin) Gothic Rock
Prominent in Mostly USA and more prominent in states of Washington DC, NJ, Midwest, Long Island and the West Coast Worldwide
Related to Punk rock, indie rock Post-Industrial Rock
Music Emo, indie rock, post-hardcore, hardcore punk, punk rock, alternative, pop punk Punk rock, post punk, glam rock, metal, rock, etc
Beer Dark ale Steel reserve
Wine Red wine Yellow tail
Spirits Dark rum Kentucky deluxe
Emotional perspective Hate themselves Hate the world

Contents: Emo vs Goth

edit History

The first waves of Emo started in 1985 when veterans of the music scene in Washington decided to break away a form a new genre of music. Goth finds its origins in the 1970’s from English Punk rock.

edit Behavior

Emo rock is associated with  being emotional, sensitive, shy, introverted, or angsty. It is also associated with depression, self-injury, and suicide. Goths are associated with dressing all in black, being introverts, and preferring like to be secluded.

edit Music Genre

They both belong to the punk rock scene. Emo focuses on emotional expression, and abstract waves of sonic dissonance. Gothic rock as a genre of rock music involves expression of emotional themes through introverted/extroverted methods in music, art, media, literature, fashion, poetry, etc.

edit Style

Emo belongs to post-hardcore, pop punk and indie rock style while gothic rock is a form of punk rock, glam punk and post punk. Emo rockers preach release of primal energy with abstract and chaotic sub structures while Goth are recognized by emphasis on darkness in their tone, dress, hair dyes, make up, emotion, etc. Emo was originally a subgenre of post-hardcore in the 1980s. In the 1990s, it was reinvented and bands would sound more like indie rock (Weezer, Sunny Day Real Estate) or pop punk (The Get Up Kids, The Starting Line, Jimmy Eat World).

edit Expression

The emo hardcore focused on personal expression in a manner that also derives from poetry such as Allen Ginsberg’s “Howl”. The Goth subculture is related often to black magic, witchcraft, and vampires popularly, though this may be more of a stereotype than fact, as evidenced by "Christian Goth". A good example of Gothic art and lifestyle is the UK punk and “Alien Sex Fiend”.

edit Culture Influences and thinking

Emo rockers are culturally critiques of society based on punk philosophy, post-punk, and other movements in art, music, literature, etc. Goth rockers, on the other hand, have a wide eyed and irrational approach and often are known for their inquiry into the nature of death, fantasy and fiction.

edit Prominent in

Emo originated from Washington DC and other parts of USA while Goth is followed in small pockets across the globe.

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Anonymous comments (21)

June 7, 2014, 1:29am

Creed? Creed is not Goth! Not even remotely. Try Siouxsie and the Banshees, Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division and Bauhuas. And throw in a little Dead Can Dance. There is some pro-emo slant in this article. Try actually learning something about Goth before commenting on it.

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August 23, 2013, 1:44am

Depressed and suicidal people cut. Some emo kids are suicidal and depressed. Therefore, some emo kids cut. Get it now?

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August 7, 2009, 8:44am

the person on the borrom says it perfectly... and goths being irrational is the biggest piece of crap i've ever read/heard.

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August 7, 2009, 8:44am

the person above me says it perfectly... and goths being irrational is the biggest piece of crap i've ever read/heard.

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May 8, 2014, 10:08pm

For the record not all emos cut. Some goths do cut even scene and normal people cut so just because someone self harms dose not mean that their emo. Also some people are emo their entire life and some goths sent goths forever. Neither subculture is better then the other not everyone in the subculture that they themselves identify with dress like other in their subculture do or listen to the same music also not all goths hate the world and not all emos hate themselves people need to realize that you cant always identify people by how they look,the music they listen to, and by whether or not they self harm but that's just my opinion

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February 8, 2014, 10:32pm

Im emo n i dont understand why people say i slash my wrist or why people are so stereotypic of me and other emos

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January 2, 2014, 12:59pm

I found this article interesting. I think everyone has different views on the stereotype but though some of it may be true for some people others may think its a load of crap. I honestly have no idea which one i am (probably a mix of both if this is right) but I very rarely come across people like myself who dress differently or who are just in general different in this sort if way to to the local population. There are some pretty stupid comments on this article and some that actually make a point. I don't give a shit about what anyone has to say about my opinion either.

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November 3, 2013, 10:21pm

"experent" sb. "experiment" I think.

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July 15, 2013, 8:05pm

ahahahahaha sorry but after reading some of the comments i couldn't help it. i mean seriously, people are getting all bent out of shape over nothing, but some stereotypical examples. if you have half a mind then you already know it is stereotype and that every person is different so the stereotype shouldn't really get under skin, but to each his own. thank you for the article though, it had some good insight to the differences between the two sub-genres.

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April 2, 2013, 4:34am

Some comments to this article are simply silly. Someone commented that Goth do not really exist, however I re-assure you that Goths exists and unlike people who consider themselves as Emo, Goths stay Goths for very long time (if not always). When it comes to Emo people, I have seen from many examples now that it is usually teenagers who become Emo and they stop being one when they reach about 22-25 years. Whereas Goths just carry on staying Goths. Now tell me that Goths do not exist. I would say it other way round.

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September 19, 2012, 4:58pm

This article simply explains the differences of two related subcultures. Of course it generalizes and offers stereotypical examples. Of course every person is different and self-expression is highly personal. For someone to say that emo is associated with depression does not mean that every person who identifies as emo is also depressed. Thes are examples, ways to demonstrate similarities and differences so that people can understand the subcultures. So all of this arguing about what goth or emo individuals do or don't do is pointless. Accept the article for what it is and stop arguing about what it means to you, personally, to be goth or emo.

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July 9, 2012, 11:36am

True their is no such thing as emo music. Is more music for emos whicj already has a name and watever type it is it all started in the 1970's punk rock is the original all after that is new music that has developed by the years...and by the way. WAT MAKES AN EMO...AN EMO IS THE EMOTIONS AND THE PAIN emos cut themselves and thats wat makes us emo depending on feelings too but REAL EMOS ENJOY FEELIN PAIN----SCENE DONT

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July 9, 2012, 11:26am

Look people...in this article EVERYTHING is true...and people here judging us dont have the right to becone all haters yall dont know about ppls feelings nobody is judging. Yall normal ppl...am not tryin to be mean or anything am just being real... Goth and emos area total diffrent communities and people dnt have to judge about us so yeah. No body saya nothin about yall everybody is different

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May 29, 2012, 5:15pm

To whoever said Goth's don't exist anymore, they do. Why do you think Whitby host Goth weekends? It would be pointless if there were no Goths.

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May 7, 2012, 5:27pm

EMO KIDS ARE REALLY ANNOYING!!!!!!!!!!! and I think i might have met the first EMO-HIPPIE. Here are some traits he has. Doesn't shower : hippie. Wears a dirty slipnot shirt every day: emo. Listens to Dupstep: unknown. wears boots with no socks on that smell like bad yogert: hippie. Alwas complaining: both. he cuts himself: emo. Wears a old army jacket: hippie. so yeah BEAN he smells like a dirty sock filled with yogert. BEAN. BEAN. BEAN. BEAN. BEAN. BEAN. BEAN. BEAN

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May 1, 2012, 4:23pm

What is funny is these people saying that they are goth or emo and being offended by this guy's article, stating it's untrue and that what he says are just cliches. I think the point he would make is that if you claim to be emo but don't harm yourself or hate your person, then you aren't really emo. It's like a Christian saying that they believe in evolution or that they don't think being gay is a sin, when in fact the bible says the exact opposite.

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April 23, 2012, 3:40pm

goth no longer exist and emo was a real scene of music that got over populorized by idiots who thought they were cool, My Chemical Romance and The Used lead that thought process, though being great bands they ruined a culture .

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January 10, 2012, 3:28pm

emos do cut. scene dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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December 12, 2011, 10:47pm

Hey so umm like MOST EMOS DONT CUT!!!!!!!!!!! ITS A STUPID STEREOTYPE!!!!!!!

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October 25, 2011, 4:31pm

To the person who was talking about Hot Topic. Hot Topic is really the cliche clothing for emos. I hate cliches. I'm an emo, yet I don't like the clothing styles, so your statement therefore is not completely valid.

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December 2, 2007, 5:52pm

you have to be kidding, who wrote this

emo is a joke, there is no such thing as emo music, just indie, alt rock, grunge, who people have been relabelling as emo when there arent,

and goth as being irrational, you jest you give the impression that emo are sane people,

emo is a made up group by the music fashion biz to sell more crap, some people who people refer to emo, we used to call poetic goths in the early 90s

does every 16yo have to add more bull to this emo concept

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